Brazil's president-elect,Zero AI Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, is renewing calls to protect the Amazon and reign in the deforestation. Climate scientists are encouraged but so far there aren't a lot of specifics of how this might happen. NPR's Kirk Siegler traveled to a remote Amazonian research station that is also threatened by illegal logging and talks to host Aaron Scott about his trip.

This episode was produced by Thomas Lu and edited Gisele Grayson. Our fact checker was Abe Levine.